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Revelation from the point of view of idealism


Psalm 19:7

NASB
The law of the Lord is perfect, restoring the soul;
The testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.

Revelation 19:10

10 Then I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “Do not do that; I am a fellow servant of yours and your brethren who hold the testimony of Jesus; worship God. For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”

From Reformed Books Online

Idealist Commentaries on Revelation

“What is the Prophetic View of Idealism?

“Idealism is the view that the prophecies of the Revelation generally do not have historic referents (or have very few, such as the first and second comings of Christ), but are to be understood symbolically and spiritually (thus drawing spiritual ‘ideals’ from the book).  Idealism is most often conjoined with an Amillennial outlook.

“This view has become more popular in Reformed circles during the 1900’s.  See B.B. Warfield’s 4 page article below for the best, short, evangelical defense of this view. . . 

“Regarding the interpretation of Revelation, we [at Reformed Books Online] recommend a cross between Historicism and Idealism.”

BBWarfield meme2B. B. Warfield was a defender of Biblical inerrancy. He and A.A. Hodge wrote an influential book about this. According to Theopedia.com, “his passion was to refute the liberal element within Presbyterianism and within Christianity at large.” In interpreting Revelation, he was an idealist. The short article linked below was helpful to me in understanding how to approach the genre of apocalypse as it relates to the Book of Revelation. This article is in a pdf format.

The Apocalypse

Chapter 44, Selected Shorter Writings II, pp.  651-654


 

Wake up, little ones – “And Christ will shine on you!”


 

 


Luke 12:35-40

NASB

35 “Be dressed in readiness, and keep your lamps lit. 36 Be like men who are waiting for their master when he returns from the wedding feast, so that they may immediately open the door to him when he comes and knocks. 37 Blessed are those slaves whom the master will find on the alert when he comes; truly I say to you, that he will gird himself to serve, and have them recline at the table, and will come up and wait on them. 38 Whether he comes in the second watch, or even in the third, and finds them so, blessed are those slaves.

39 “But be sure of this, that if the head of the house had known at what hour the thief was coming, he would not have allowed his house to be broken into. 40 You too, be ready; for the Son of Man is coming at an hour that you do not expect.”


In response to my post on different approaches to interpreting Revelation, Wil of Swiss Defence League posted the video below, saying, 

“May Be I’m Off Topic A Little Bit…But If The Lamp Is Burning, Really, Then Anytime Will Do.

**Be Dressed Ready For Service And Keep Your Lamps Burning (Luke 12:35)”

Wil, you’re right!



 

Four very different approaches to the Book of Revelation – Resources



2 Corinthians 13:11

NASB

11 Finally, brethren, rejoice, be made complete, be comforted, be like-minded, live in peace; and the God of love and peace will be with you.


Intro

Throughout church history, there have been four different views regarding the book of Revelation: idealist, preterist, historicist, and futurist. The idealist view teaches that Revelation describes in symbolic language the battle throughout the ages between God and Satan and good against evil. The preterist view teaches that the events recorded in the book of Revelation were largely fulfilled in AD 70 with the fall of the Jerusalem Temple. The historicist view teaches that the book of Revelation is a symbolic presentation of church history beginning in the first century AD through the end of age. . . The futurist view teaches that Revelation prophesies events that will take place in the future. . .

Dr. Patrick Zukeran, Four Views of Revelation

I’ve come to believe that if we would try to see what other Christians have observed and taught in different views of Revelation, that we would grow in love and discernment. That’s why the following comment on Puritan Board makes sense. Obviously this can’t mean that all of the views are completely Biblical and therefore of equal value. With one exception, we aren’t speaking about heresy. 


PURITAN BOARD forum

THREAD ANSWERING THIS QUESTION:

Historicist Hermeneutic: No Longer Feasible?

Comment by “greenbaggins,” Administrator and Staff Member

[Emphasis added]

“While I have some sympathy with the historicist idea that Revelation is a road-map of history, the problem is that historical identifications with elements in Revelation become, if not fanciful, at the very least, highly debatable. It is my opinion (along with Poythress) that Revelation has seven cycles of seven, wherein each cycle crescendos from the previous cycle, thus climaxing each cycle with the second coming.

Each of the four main interpretive approaches to Revelation has strengths and weaknesses. The strength of the preterist is that John wrote Revelation to a certain audience at a certain time, and any interpretation which fails to take this into consideration will get considerably jumbled. However, preterists go too far when they limit the applicability of Revelation to the first-century (either too much, as in partial preterists, or much too much, as in the heretical full preterists). Revelation is part of the canon. It must apply not only to the first-century audience, but also to the church of all ages. It does speak of the second coming of Christ and the new heavens and new earth, and not just in the last three chapters.

“The futurist approach’s strength is in recognizing the references to the second coming, and giving them full weight. Futurists tend to forget, however, the historical situatedness of Revelation. They also forget (sometimes) Revelation’s canonical status, applying to the church of all ages. They have, therefore, the corresponding and opposite strengths and weaknesses of the preterite positions.

“The strength of the historicist position is in recognizing Revelation’s canonical status, and that therefore it must apply to the church of all ages. The weakness has been already identified above, as its historical identifications are quite tenuous. I find myself thinking, ‘Yeah, possibly, but couldn’t it also mean a dozen other historical events?’

“The strength of the idealist position is in recognizing the cyclical (or better yet, spiral) nature of Revelation. Some idealist positions have a weakness, however, in de-concretizing the imagery of Revelation, and making just about everything quite vague.

“I believe that the strongest interpretation of Revelation will take elements of truth from all the four approaches, while seeking to minimize their weaknesses. As such, there are three main areas of applicability, all of which have to have their day in court: the first century, the history of the church, and the second coming of Christ. This is why I advocate a modified idealist approach wherein the beginning and the end both get full attention, and not just the cycles of how God works in history. I believe that John is describing over and over again (seven times, in fact) the time between the first and second coming of Christ.”


Hattip: Meg’s blog, The Antipas Chronicles

SO FAR MUST THE BEAST HAVE A HAND IN IT


RESOURCES

Chart explaining the major distinctive of each view of Revelation:
Historicism.com

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The Four Views of Revelation

Preterism

Partial Preterism (orthodox)

Full Preterism (heretical)

Futurism

Historicism

Idealism

(The most recent of the major approaches to Revelation)


Four Views of Revelation

Dr. Patrick Zukeran

Dr. Patrick Zukeran presents a summary of four of the major approaches to interpreting the book of Revelation and its meaning for the end times. . . For each, he presents the basic approach, strengths of the approach and weaknesses of the approach. Recognizing that God is the central mover in all of these, he encourages us to keep these questions from dividing Christians in our mission of sharing Christ with the world.


Interpreting Revelation

Dr. Cornelis P. Venema

One helpful way to meet the challenge of interpreting the book of Revelation is to become acquainted with some of the main approaches to its interpretation. In the history of the church, five predominant approaches have emerged: the futurist, the preterist, the historicist, the idealist, and the eclectic approach. While these approaches are not necessarily incompatible at every point, they represent distinct views of the message and themes of Revelation. Familiarity with these approaches, though no substitute for a direct reading and interpretation of Revelation, does provide a helpful map of the well-traveled paths that previous interpreters have found illuminating.